Is Kotor 1 Or 2 Better

bonesawisready5

I get with ane for impact but 2 is probably the meliorate game mechanically

Uzzy

KOTOR 1 is the ameliorate game, it's a far more classic story striking still beats you know and want from a Star Wars game.

KOTOR 2 is the more interesting game, with a story that feels more at home eviscerating all of those Star Wars tropes and characters yous'd have wanted. Shame it's not consummate.

Gorion's Ward

KOTOR 2 is way better in my book, finally a non blackness-and-white SW story, but both are good. The start is more iconic I guess, just Avellone's writing fabricated the second stand out.

Paragon

I've gone back and forth with this question over the years, but every bit of right now I call up KOTOR1 is the superior game. KOTOR1 sets out to deliver the purest distillation of the Star Wars experience and it succeeds on all fronts, KOTOR2 meanwhile has a conceptually more than interesting story but it's held back past a few factors. The game being unfinished in obviously a big cistron, just I also have a low tolerance for Chris Avellone's bullshit that he needs to insert into all of his stories.

I also think being an RPG hurts the story of KOTOR2. So much of the story is focused on the Exile's thoughts, feelings and backstory but the game can't actually explore any of that in depth because they're a silent protagonist. The story probably would have been much better of if the Exile was a fixed character with a proper grapheme arc just that was never going to happen.

Nairume

I become that 2 is better written and has more mechanics, just i is a much tighter experience and feels more like Star Wars.

Slythe

KOTOR 1 is the meliorate of the 2, past a long shot. Discovered it on a whim in middle schoolhouse and it blew my mind. Completely sucked me into that globe and those characters, felt like my own Jedi and personal Star Wars adventure, and the plot twists are seared into my gaming memories.

KOTOR 2 on the other manus was just a rocky experience. The opening mission only drags, and has a very subdued and bumming energy. Information technology becomes more than interesting with the introduction of the morally greyness characters and themes subsequently, merely I honestly can't for the life of me recall the overall story or grapheme arc of the chief character. I institute the entire scenario and story unmemorable. I likewise had a game breaking bug toward the end of the game and realized I had to replay the whole thing, which really killed my express enthusiasm for the game. It just remains in my memory a very sour experience, albeit unique for Star Wars.

Transistor

Vanilla KOTOR 2? Or does the Restored Content Mod count?

TreIII

KOTOR2 had 1 of my fave SW stories, and well, what more can be said about Kreia that hasn't already been said?

Meows

Even though in that location were obvious glitches and cutting corners, I've e'er liked KOTOR 2 more, even before TSLRCM was around.

Flashback to my days of hopelessly refreshing the TSLRP for more updates...

Arn

I prefer KOTOR but I haven't played the consummate content mod for KOTOR ii. I'm due a replay of the 2nd game, replayed the original this year and it was still fantastic.

Scrobbles

KOTOR two has Kreia so it wins by default

Fuchsia

KOTOR 1 had the bigger impact and is overall the improve game.

However, they are both incredibly special games and KOTOR 2 is spectacular and even surpasses the beginning in many ways. The only thing holding it back is the fact that it was rushed. Everything else is at that place and you can tell the appetite and ideas were super strong overall - it simply lacks a little smooth.

I'm obsessed with the music in 2.

Meows

KOTOR one had the bigger impact and is overall the better game.
Notwithstanding, they are both incredibly special games and KOTOR two is spectacular and even surpasses the first in many ways. The merely affair holding information technology back is the fact that it was rushed. Everything else is there and you can tell the ambition and ideas were super strong overall - information technology merely lacks a little shine.

I'm obsessed with the music in 2.

The chills I'd get whenever this would pop up on the splash screen.

spineduke

2 has higher highs, but ends abruptly and is incomplete. I'd nonetheless vote for it, the writing and characters are some of Obsidian'south all-time and it didn't feel similar wasted time.

And yes, Kreia carried a lot of it - I don't remember I would pick ii over 1 had she not been in.

Soap

Kotor2 with the stuff modded in is better, merely in terms of the base of operations game kotor is better.

FarSight XR-20

Vanilla KOTOR 2? Or does the Restored Content Modern count?

Both

Transistor

In that instance, I would say KOTOR 2: RCM > KOTOR > Vanilla KOTOR 2

Vanilla is merely an incomplete game and suffers profoundly from that, IMO

Hektor

Kreia is objectively best star wars charscyer from syltar wars

Anybody that disagrees can go eat a pizza

BossAttack

KOTOR one. It's a great game and a complete packet.

KOTOR 2, while having some great writing, is not a complete story fifty-fifty with all the mods. It is fashion too long with an completely overstretched opening. And too gets way as well total of itself. I know people detect it all deep and all that, but it goes nowhere with all the depth. It but peters out.

Kreia and KOTOR2 in a nutshell:

RoboPlato

KotOR

KotOR 2 probably would take been improve if information technology had been finished and could actually have properly tied itself together merely alas

Antrax

Kotor 2

In that location's no grapheme like Kreia in most of Star Wars (I just say most considering I haven't consumed literally all SW media). K1 is very good (second favoritegame of mine, backside K2), only thematically is very much a typical Star Wars narrative

JustinH

I dropped KotOR Two shortly after I started playing it mode dorsum when on my laptop. I think I was burned out since I had just played the first game for the starting time time and went in deep with it.

I need to get effectually to going back to 2. I've been meaning to do then, I just keep getting distracted with other stuff.

Mr.Deadshot

The second with restoration mod is the better overall game, only KOTOR 1's twist is better than anything in the second game. So it's a tie (ha!) for me.

Sargerus

KOTOR has the better story
KOTOR 2 has the better gameplay

TheMadTitan

Kotor ii is the best star wars story put to newspaper and that's even in it's unfinished state.
The combat is improve, the characters are better, the story is better, the themes!

this is 100% truthful. And it's even better with the restored content mods.

AlexFlame116

KOTOR 2 by far. Information technology has Kreia, the story is depressing along with the worlds, and the music is incredible.

The theme of the Jedi in KOTOR two (The Rebuilt Jedi Enclave) is such an amazingly bittersweet music.

I've seen people compare TSL to TLJ just that it came commencement and went harder on the criticism of the Jedi and Sith and I accept to agree.

Add together that music with the scene betwixt the quango, Kreia and you and it simply hits dwelling.

If but information technology had been finished.

Tuorom

I've seen people compare TSL to TLJ but that it came first and went harder on the criticism of the Jedi and Sith and I accept to concord.

Kotor ii is non at all similar to The Terminal Jedi lol

Calvinien

I mean, Kotor is objectively a better game. Kotor two isn't even a finished game.
A hypothetical KOTOR 2 with the total game and bugfixes is head and shoulders above the beginning.

KOTOR one was very much bioware dumbing their writing downwards in club to give people the platonic platonic of a star wars game. It'south simplistic, binary and nowhere virtually equally circuitous or compelling as anything else they've done. Information technology also had to suspension all that ground on its lonesome.
To employ a star trek metaphor: KOTOR is The Side by side Generation. It is substantially everything you lot liked about the previous versions of the product boiled down to their core essentials and the excess baggage trimmed away, so polished to a mirror sheen. It'due south not actually bringing anything NEW to the franchise, information technology;s just the best version of what was already there.

KOTOR two is Deep Space Nine.
A finished kotor 2 really challenges and deconstructs the things we take for granted most the series and enquire whether those things are skilful or bad. Crucially it does not force and answer on united states of america. You lot can just equally easily call Kreia out on her bullshit and signal out the flaws in her logic as you can agree with her or flat out determine you don't care either way. As a outcome I feel like information technology manages to transcend the existing star wars work, but at the toll of non really working as star wars. Kotor is the all-time SW has to offer, whereas TSL is like a whole other kind fo work that just and so happens to be at the same time.

Artdayne

I adopt KOTOR 1, I've played through it maybe 10 times at this bespeak, it was the first RPG I ever really enjoyed and now its my favorite genre. I think that while KOTOR's story is more than bog standard it is just more consistently engaging and fun based on the locations you visit and the way the story plays out. KOTOR 2 does a good job in breaking from the standard Star Wars story, Jedi are more corrupted and insecure in this game but ultimately I gauge its the pacing and the locales that are but not every bit interesting that makes it less enjoyable overall.

SofNascimento

KoTOR2 is a game for people who think Star Wars is for children and want something that looks smarter.

KoTOR is a game for people who knows Star Wars is for children and revel in information technology.

Sargerus

KoTOR2 is a game for people who think Star Wars is for children and want something that looks smarter.
KoTOR is a game for people who knows Star Wars is for children and revel in it.

When you recollect almost it, Kreia'southward ultimate plan is but a "Kill everything and anybody" kind of a plan.

The Unsent

Kotor ane. Similar TLJ, which was a really good film, Kotor 2 has some interesting ideas, but the game doesn't all come up together. Information technology was probably the better game in the alternate world where Obsidian finished it. (Ths fan made restoration patches were a mixed bag imo)

Innolis

Even unfinished, Kotor 2 is the amend game, only Kotor had that twist...

kamineko

I'm just glad in that location are 2 games. I have a hard time talking about videogames unless I'grand declaring one amend than another

but since I tin do that hither, KOTOR II has college highs only is a less compelling overall experience. Even subsequently patching in fanmade content

ryan299

Growing up I preferred 2 more than. I haven't played them since release though. I should become back and replay them.

Wowzors

Genuinely shocked to encounter two is winning this, one is way better, peculiarly and then without the lost content modernistic.

Ctrl Alt Del

It'south commonly a toss-upwardly for me. Kotor is a way more than stable and complete game (in the sense that information technology feels like a whole game), only the storytelling in detail is weak and then is the combat. Kotor 2 improves things considerably in regards to gameplay and has a much more engaging and mature storyline, but it's a buggy mess that barely holds itself together without restoration mods.

I love both of them, merely Kotor 2 is the game that me equally an adult would rather go to.

CloudWolf

KotOR 2, despite never being really finished (fifty-fifty with the Restored Content mod), is easily the better game.

It'southward got the more than fleshed out gameplay, better option and event system and a vastly more interesting narrative. The characters are too but directly up better and it even manages to make Revan a expert graphic symbol, where in KotOR ane Revan was a bit of a nix character (which, granted, was by pattern to protect the twist, just still).

Marcus Aurelius

KOTOR released as a much more stable game and has a identify in my heart from a nostalgic point of view. If KOTOR ii didn't release and so cleaved and incomplete, you would have to argue that it is the amend game overall.

CloudWolf

Kreia and KOTOR2 in a nutshell:

While Kreia is kind of like this (simply likewise not really, equally she clearly points out she dislikes any sort of indecisiveness or aloofness), KotOR 2 in general absolutely isn't and I always find it a bit weird that people have this idea that "be morally grey" is the message the game is sending.

Similar, yeah, Kreia (and the game as a whole) is critical of how a lot of Star Wars comes down to "this is always skilful, this is e'er evil, at that place is no in-between", just the game ultimately doesn't hold with Kreia's betoken of view. Kreia is still clearly the villain in the finish who essentially wants to commit mass genocide on a galactic calibration and has lied to y'all throughout the entire game.

ThereAreFourNaan

The first game is a better overall product, while the themes and story of the second are superior. However, ii is also "less star wars" than 1, which does a very good job of capturing what people like about the movies I call back.

Rosenkrantz

KOTOR 2 is more than interesting as an RPG while KOTOR 1 is better at beingness Star Wars. I don't intendance about SW, so, it'south KOTOR 2 for me.

Mechaplum

I hated Kreia, she's like a weeb who discovered Taoism on wikipedia over the weekend.

AnythingElse

I really don't empathise how anyone could say the showtime game is amend without simply speaking from a place of nostalgia.

firehawk12

KOTOR2 makes Star Wars fabricated Star Wars and its lore actually interesting and played with the proficient/evil binary that the whole franchised is premised on. It'south just besides bad that there was never any real follow up to the ideas raised there.

(Or possibly it was in all the books)

TheAuldTriangle

I enjoyed KOTOR II (PC version, restored content) more than KOTOR. In fact, I didnt fifty-fifty complete OG KOTOR due to eventual boredom, it simply didnt grip me like II (perchance because I knew the twist prior to playing?)

Ales34

I love KOTOR 2 more, simply information technology's non a better game. It'south incomplete.

Addie

For me, personally: KotOR1. Because I never saw the plot coming. I think it'due south the final time a game actually surprised me.

Merely two? What an utterly fascinating story; I recollect it'due south objectively the better game and a timeless entry into Star Wars lore.

Paragon

While Kreia is kind of like this (but as well not really, equally she clearly points out she dislikes any sort of indecisiveness or apathy), KotOR 2 in general absolutely isn't and I ever detect it a bit weird that people have this idea that "be morally greyness" is the bulletin the game is sending.
Like, aye, Kreia (and the game every bit a whole) is disquisitional of how a lot of Star Wars comes down to "this is always good, this is always evil, there is no in-between", only the game ultimately doesn't agree with Kreia's bespeak of view. Kreia is nonetheless clearly the villain in the stop who essentially wants to commit mass genocide on a galactic scale and has lied to you throughout the entire game.

I generally agree, but I tin can't blame anyone for thinking that the 'moral grey' stuff was the message of the game. The game subject'southward the player to Kreia's extended monologues about how helping people is bad or what not, and these ideas are never meaningfully challenged considering the person on the receiving finish of all these monologues is the silent RPG protagonist. I remember the overall bulletin of the story would probably be better communicated if the Exile was a fixed protagonist who could have actually meaningful exchanges with Kreia, only for obvious reasons that would be disappointing in an RPG.

It as well doesn't assistance that Avellone did the same 'self-insert grapheme who hates all the things most the setting that I do' schtick in the Fallout: New Vegas DLCs (although I will say that Kreia is much more tolerable than Ulysses).

I'll likewise add that the statement that 'the game doesn't concur with Kreia because she ends upward beingness the villain with a genocidal programme' doesn't really agree water because her plan to kill the forcefulness is merely another i of her lies and her real goal is for the Exile to be strong enough to help Revan fight the truthful Sith.